The Pardon May Not Be Quite the Magic Bullet It Seems

 Legal Insurrection 

According to Reuters, if Hunter is called to testify before the House of Representatives or the DOJ about the Biden family business dealings, the fact that he was pardoned “could limit his ability to invoke” his Fifth Amendment right against self-incrimination.  

"Many Americans were outraged on Sunday after learning that President Joe Biden had issued a sweeping pardon to his son, Hunter. This decision came despite repeated public denials from both Biden and White House press secretary Karine Jean-Pierre. Hunter, who faced convictions on three gun-related charges and a guilty plea for tax evasion, was on the brink of near-certain incarceration. The pardon effectively wiped the slate clean. Yet, as with most complex matters, it is not without limitations.

"During a Monday night panel on Fox News’ Hannity, investigative journalist John Solomon, editor of Just the News, and Fox News legal analyst Gregg Jarrett discussed the ongoing risks facing Hunter and the Biden family.

“ 'Hunter’s pardon does not prevent the Department of Justice from pursuing fraud charges against him,” Solomon explained. Drawing a comparison, he noted how O.J. Simpson was acquitted of the murders of Nicole Brown Simpson and Ronald Goldman in a criminal trial but was later found liable for their wrongful deaths in a civil suit, and ordered to pay $33.5 million in damages.

"Solomon said, “You can’t bring criminal charges against Hunter Biden, but there’s nothing that prevents the Trump Justice Department from filing a fraud case and seeking civil remedy and taking money from him and other members of the family on allegations that they reported false information. They committed fraud. Those are things that are still on the table. A pardon doesn’t protect you from civil actions.”

“ 'He no longer will be able to deny or say ‘I don’t want to testify in any proceedings because I invoke my Fifth Amendment right against incrimination.’ The president took that away from him, so he’s going to have to testify if he’s compelled.” . . .

Trump will reverse Biden’s Israel delusions and bring an era of Mideast peace

 Caroline Glick

"Biden and his team have blocked Israel from attacking Iran’s nuclear installations, arguing that such a strike will cause a regional war that will force direct US military involvement. Trump recognizes that by attacking Iran’s nuclear installations, Israel will end the regional war that has been raging for 400 days — and enable the United States to stay out of the hostilities."

  "On Sunday, Israel reportedly killed Hezbollah terror boss Ali Musa Daqduq in Syria, bringing a measure of justice to the US military’s Iraq war veterans.

"In 2007, Daqduq and his underlings infiltrated a US base in Karbala, Iraq, killing one soldier and kidnapping — and later brutally executing — four more. CENTCOM sources on Monday expressed confidence that Daqduq had in fact been slain.

"Israeli forces have killed hundreds of terrorists with American blood on their hands since Iran launched its seven-front war against the Jewish state last year.

"Yet their achievements have made President Biden and his advisers uncomfortable — because they expose the truth that the Biden team has refused to countenance.

"Israel’s enemies are America’s enemies. And when Israel defeats its enemies, America wins.

"Biden and his team are not alone in their discomfort. For over 30 years, the US foreign policy establishment produced one failed policy after another, because its members collectively refused to reconcile themselves to the fact that Israel is America’s greatest ally in the Middle East.

"Instead, they all insisted that Israel is the source of regional instability and that the only way to forge peace was for Israel to appease its enemies — all of whom seek its annihilation.

"Since that is a self-evidently impossible goal, all of those efforts failed.

"Cycles of US-induced appeasement, instability, terror and war led to further US-induced appeasement, and the pattern circled on and on and on.

"Donald Trump is the only US president in the past 30 years who insisted that reality be his guide.

"His willingness to recognize Israel as America’s greatest regional ally enabled him to see that the more powerful Israel is, the less America has to do. Conversely, the weaker Israel is, the more America has to do." . . .

. . ."Glick was born in Houston, TX and grew up in Chicago, IL. She moved to Israel in 1991, two weeks after receiving her BA in Political Science from Columbia University. She joined the Israel Defense Forces that summer and served as an officer for five and a half years." . . .

MSNBC's Joy Reid takes issue with ‘gangster’ Trump pushing Hamas to release US hostages 

 . . ."After complaining about Trump “muscling other countries” like Brazil, Russia, India, China, and South Africa over tariffs, Reid went on to snark about how the president-elect is “demanding Hamas release all hostages being held in Gaza before his inauguration, or there will be, ‘all hell to pay in the Middle East.’” Evidently, the MSNBC host would rather the hostages continue to be held even longer." . . .

Gavin Newsom announces plan to renew statewide EV rebates, but moves to exclude Elon Musk’s Tesla

 Olivia Murray 

 "Needless to say, Trump is right to eliminate them, and Newsom is wrong to reimplement them."

"According to a report from GuruFocus and shared via Yahoo News, California governor Gavin Newsom recently announced his intention to renew statewide electric car rebates if President Trump does in fact revoke the $7,500 federal tax credit—but Elon Musk’s Tesla vehicles won’t be eligible.

"Why you might ask? Well, Newsom claims the preclusion is a strategic effort to encourage “rivalry” and competition in the market, but the obvious explanation seems like political punishment.

"First of all, since when has Newsom ever cared about encouraging market rivalries and competition? Just take a look at what his brand of progressivism has done to the insurance markets in California, both health and property. What about the time that he used his political weight to issue Covid-19 lockdown diktats, but made sure the winery in which he had a financial stake was exempt, remaining open and making money? PlumpJack Winery sure had quite an unfair advantage in the vineyard business for a time.

"Secondly, the answer to market rivalry and competition means getting the government out of private companies’ business; it doesn’t mean handicapping one company so the inferior others can catch up—that’s not how it’s supposed to work. In fact, it’s just more socialism—fostering an environment in which everyone can fail equally. Only the government would target a company that’s doing well on its own and seek to undermine its in-the-lead position.

"But Newsom has a history of abusing his position. As I mentioned above, PlumpJack Winery, but then there was also the time that he signed the new minimum wage law that included a very strange and obscure exemption for restaurants owned by one of Newsom’s biggest donors, and now, I can’t help but think that he’s punishing Musk for Musk’s foray into and support of the MAGA movement." . . .

What sort of legacy does Joe Biden have to ‘tarnish’?

I would add to Biden's legacy his Freedom Hall speech, his State of the Union address, and his Democrat Convention speech, all of which promoted the desire for someone to assassinate Donald Trump. Who of us has not been moved or sickened at the sight of Biden's face, twisted in bitter hatred of the man whose very existence puts him to shame. Tunnel Dweller

Jack Hellner 

"The dishonest media, who hid the obvious mental decline of Biden for years, now act shocked that Biden pardoned his son. They act as if it is rare for a congenital liar like Biden to lie." 

  . . ."It is clear that Joe Biden, whose mind is shot, did not write the language in this pardon.  He didn’t come up with the blanket pardon for ten years to cover the kickbacks.  It looks to me as though Hunter’s attorneys wrote the pardon to cover his crimes as a foreign agent and other crimes he may have committed.  It is pathetic to give Hunter a blanket pardon. 

"As for Biden’s legacy:

Stealing classified documents for decades?

Getting almost all foreign policy decisions wrong, according to Robert Gates?

The Afghanistan disaster?

Open borders that let in criminals and terrorists?  Losing over 300,000 children?  Making cartels rich?

High inflation that destroyed the poor and the middle class?

Firing people who chose not to take a vaccine?

Keeping schools closed at the behest of political supporters?

Destroying women’s sports?

Dictatorially and unconstitutionally paying off hundreds of billions in student loans?

Building up the finances of Iran and Russia so they can finance wars and terrorism?

Continually lying about what Trump said in Charlottesville to gin up racial hate and division? 

Wasting all the money on worthless DIE?

"I would challenge anyone to come up with a list of domestic and foreign accomplishments of Biden that supposedly give him a good legacy.  I can’t think of any." 

Democrats Fear Worst POTUS Ever Tarnishes His Legacy with Hunter Pardon

     "You think I'm kidding, but I'm not. Joe Biden, the president who was elected to return the country to normalcy but failed about as miserably and completely in that goal as a human being can, put a coda on his disastrous presidency by pardoning his son for everything Hunter did or thought about doing for an 11-year period. And Democrats, still reeling from losing the election three weeks ago, are just now beginning to realize the utter destruction to their movement the 46th president has wrought. 
     "A neutral presidential historian would list as a blight on his legacy Joe Biden's calamitous withdrawal from Afghanistan, condemning generations of Afghani women who had just begun to learn how to read and write, and vote, back to the burqa and a life of servitude under Sharia Law. Biden's actions got 13 American servicemen and women killed needlessly, and led to tens of thousands of Afghanis who were our allies during our 20-year war being disappeared and murdered by the Taliban. 

     "Historians might view harshly Joe Biden's lifting of sanctions on Iran, funneling money back to the Iranian Revolutionary Guard Corps which in turn led to the rearming and training of Hamas and Hezbollah. Iran's resurgence, due directly to the change in policy of Joe Biden, led to the October 7th attacks in Israel that reignited the war in the Middle East. There are still four Americans being held hostage by Hamas as a consequence of that attack that Joe Biden has as of yet failed to rescue or negotiate for their release." ... 

Pardon Fallout: A Visibly Shaken Chuck Todd Turns on Joe and Jill Biden in Must-Watch Moment

. . ."You read the Hallie Biden transcript, and that’s Beau’s widow. And essentially he turned her into a crack addict. And this was all happening in 2017, 2018. And Joe and Jill Biden were so concerned about their family that they decided to run for president.  

"I just - so when you talk about the word 'selfish,' it’s almost like the word doesn’t, I mean, their decision to run for president put the entire Democratic Party and the United States of America in the position that it’s in now.'" . . .

Trudeau butts heads with President Trump. the non-Biden

 . . ."'Trudeau doesn’t seem to have realized, however, the implications of the fact that Trump is not a fellow socialist internationalist. . . ."

Trudeau Tells Trump Canada Wouldn’t Survive His Tariff, and Trump’s Response Is Priceless   "Canada’s vapid and callow Prime Minister Justin Trudeau made an emergency trip to Mar-a-Lago Friday to see the president-elect. Trudeau was thoroughly alarmed over Trump’s threat to impose a 25% tariff on Canada (as well as Mexico) if they don't do anything to stop the flow of illegal migrants and drugs into the United States. Trudeau was clearly hoping to talk some socialist internationalist sense into Bad Orange Man, but instead, the vacant-faced Canadian authoritarian got a response that was pure Trump, and revealed once again how deeply Trump holds his America-First principles.

"Fox News reported Monday that Trump has called his meeting with the vacuous and childlike Canadian leader "very productive," but apparently not in the way that Canada’s most prominent Swiftie had hoped it would be. The atmosphere was convivial, with the two men “nibbling on crab cocktail and slurping down oysters” as they discussed “the issues of tariffs, border security and trade deficits.” Yet for all the superficial chumminess of the affair, Trump remained focused on what he wanted from Canada: “While cordial and welcoming,” he was “very direct when it came to what he wants from his counterpart to the North.” 

"Trump reportedly told Trudeau that “Canada has failed the U.S. border by allowing large amounts of drugs and people across the border, including illegal immigrants from over 70 different countries.” The once-and-future president “became more animated when it came to the U.S. trade deficit with Canada, which he estimated to be more than $100 billion,” and told his shallow Canadian counterpart that “if Canada cannot fix the border issues and trade deficit, he will levy a 25% tariff on all Canadian goods on day one when he returns to office.”

"That was when Trudeau started whining and claiming victimhood status. After all, what else would you expect a leftist to do? Trudeau knows that playing the victim is the pathway to fame, favor, and fortune on the left, and apparently, he assumed this to be a universal tendency. So he told Trump, probably with tears glistening in eyes, that he just couldn’t impose such a tariff “because it would kill the Canadian economy completely.” There is nothing in the available reports about Trudeau offering to do anything about stopping the flow of migrants and drugs over the border. He just wanted Trump to withdraw his threat for nothing, out of his concern for the well-being of Canada." . . .

Trump considers replacing Pete Hegseth with Ron DeSantis as Defense secretary pick: report

 

https://www.terrellaftermath.com/


https://nypost.com/2024/12/03/us-news/trump-considers-replacing-pete-hegseth-with-ron-desantis-as-defense-secretary-pick-report/

Newsom to ‘Trump-Proof’ California at Special Session

 RTM  

“Californians have made it clear: affordability is their top concern. Yet, even with the massive deficit he created, Gov. Newsom wants to hand his attorney general a blank check to wage endless battles against the federal government — while our own state is on fire, both literally and metaphorically,” said Jones.

"California Governor Gavin Newsom is set to convene a special emergency session of the state legislature on Monday, proposing a hefty $25 million legal defense fund aimed at “Trump-proofing” the Golden State. This move comes in anticipation of potential policy clashes with President-elect Donald Trump’s incoming administration. 

"Newsom stated that California “is a tent pole of the country… protecting and investing in rights and freedoms for all people.”He emphasized the state’s willingness to work with the new administration but added a warning.

“ 'But when there is overreach, when lives are threatened, when rights and freedoms are targeted, we will take action. And that is exactly what this special session is about – setting this state up for success, regardless of who is in the White House,” said Newsom, per Fox News.

"The proposed legislation, expected to be introduced in the coming weeks, aims to bolster the state’s justice department. With a Democratic majority in the legislature, officials anticipate the bill will become law before Inauguration Day on Jan. 20." . . .

Opportunistic Michelle Obama Promotes New Book For ‘Anxious’ Liberals

Off The Press 

"But Trump won in a historic comeback – placing the Obamas’ political legacy in apparent jeopardy. With their clout waning, the Obamas are at risk of becoming little more than rich lifestyle influencers – at least, that’s what Obama’s latest fluffy book would suggest."

Embrace your victimhood!

"As Democrats struggle to cope with President Donald Trump’s mighty political comeback, Michelle Obama is hoping to cash in on liberals who are feeling “a little anxious” about the shift in power.

"Conveniently, it was the Obamas, the Democrats, and their corporate media allies who made voters feel “anxious” by constantly telling the American people that Trump is a “fascist” who will destroy their lives.

"Now, Michelle Obama is trying to make a buck off the despair among liberals.

"In a message to her social media following, the former first lady urged her fans to purchase her self-help new book “Overcoming.”

"She called the book a “timely” holiday gift that would help readers deal with “anxious times.”

"Without mentioning Trump directly, Obama suggested her book would help her liberal readers manage stress after the most recent election.

"It comes as Trump’s history return to power has left Democrats demoralized and in the political wilderness.

" 'This is a timely gift or purchase for yourself because this is a workbook that takes you through some techniques and exercises based on some of the insights I shared with you all in ‘The Light That We Carry’,” Obama said.

The inevitable Hunter pardon and the insightful, amusing reactions on X

 

Patti Gillihan

Andrea Widburg  . . ."Once Hunter grew up, Joe made him his bagman. To that end, Joe dragged Hunter all over the world to sell, if not access to power, the illusion of access to power.

"Joe knew that what he was doing was illegal, and rather than doing it himself, he took advantage of the pathetic drug and sex addict that is his son. The whole time he did this, he constantly, in the most maudlin terms, talked how much he loves Hunter. That’s the love of an abuser and narcissist, not a healthy parental love that is based upon the desire for one’s child to thrive.

"At the end of the day, what Biden did to Hunter is just so...gross, immoral, and almost evil. It’s simply another aspect of this evil that Biden pardoned Hunter for all criminal acts, including those not yet tried or even discovered. Joe obviously did so to protect himself from Trump’s Justice Department investigating how Joe sold out his country. As Jesse Kelly said in the above tweet, poor Hunter “never had a chance.”

"Of course, the internet went wild. . . ."

"Hunter’s pardon is the most recent reminder that Joe Biden has been an unrepentant liar for 50 years and is completely devoid of any ethics whatsoever" Buck Sexton

"Hunter pardon settles Biden's legacy. Best he could hope for was a caretaker presidency. But after Kamala's failure, the pardon is an implicit acknowledgment of his complicity in his son's corruption. Biden is one of the worst presidents ever, hands down." Mark Hemingway

 This is Joe Biden being sworn into the Senate.

That little boy is Hunter. He has a fractured skull and brain injuries from the car wreck. Joe made him get dressed up for a photo op cause he thought it would be good for his career. Hate Joe. Pity Hunter. Kid never had a chance.

Hunter Biden may be pardoned here, but he’s committed crimes elsewhere   

. . ."In an admirably concise tweet, Anony Mee points out that Hunter’s wrongdoing wasn’t limited to America. Instead, it took place in Ukraine. Indeed, that’s what Trump’s first impeachment was about—Burisma’s and Hunter’s corrupt conduct in Ukraine: . . ."

. . ."What this means is that Hunter can be called before Congress to testify as to every single detail of his acts on behalf of the Biden family business. His choice will be to implicate his dad or to go to prison for contempt—and I don’t see Pam Bondi being squeamish about those contempt charges. My guess is that Hunter, whose hard drive showed him to be a seething mass of anger, resentment, and entitlement, won’t mind shivving his father if it means keeping himself safe." . . .

Picture Biden pleading with Trump to pardon Hunter for those crimes; pleading with the man whose assassination he promoted in his several speeches outside Philadelphia's Freedom Hall, the SOTU, and the Democrat Convention. Who can ever forget Biden's face twisted in hate for Donald Trump during those speeches

"Biased John Harwood not Fit to Moderate GOP Debate"

Biden’s pardon of son Hunter Biden draws criticism

‘Abuse of power’: Joe Biden’s decision to pardon his own son is indefensible

 ...  "Nothing, not even Mr Trump’s victory in last month’s election, could have been more corrosive to whatever morsel remained of Mr Biden’s legacy." . . .

 Joe Biden abused a medieval power to pardon his son  Behind a paywall.

Biden Pardons Hunter on All Charges and Anything Else He Might Have Committed Since 2014 Legal Insurrection

Hunter pleaded guilty to tax evasion. He was going to face sentencing on December 16 for lying on a federal form by saying he was not using drugs or addicted to drugs when trying to buy a gun.

President Joe Biden pardoned his son Hunter despite the White House saying over and over he would not do it.

The pardon includes charges Hunter faced or might have faced from January 1, 2014, through December 1, 2024.

Yes, ten years. Absolute insanity. That means anything else that pops up in that time period doesn’t count. Hunter cannot face any charges.

"Biden wrote in a press release:

From the day I took office, I said I would not interfere with the Justice Department’s decision-making, and I kept my word even as I have watched my son being selectively, and unfairly, prosecuted. Without aggravating factors like use in a crime, multiple purchases, or buying a weapon as a straw purchaser, people are almost never brought to trial on felony charges solely for how they filled out a gun form. Those who were late paying their taxes because of serious addictions, but paid them back subsequently with interest and penalties, are typically given non-criminal resolutions. It is clear that Hunter was treated differently.

The charges in his cases came about only after several of my political opponents in Congress instigated them to attack me and oppose my election. Then, a carefully negotiated plea deal, agreed to by the Department of Justice, unraveled in the court room – with a number of my political opponents in Congress taking credit for bringing political pressure on the process. Had the plea deal held, it would have been a fair, reasonable resolution of Hunter’s cases.

“I hope Americans will understand why a father and a President would come to this decision,” Biden concluded." . . .

Eric Holder appears out of the woodwork to justify Hunter Biden pardon, argues ATF Form 4473 is irrelevant 

. . ."Who knew that the legal system had caveats for members of the Obama-Biden-Democrat cartel? Just kidding, the Hunter Biden pardon is just one more datum point in a long trend of corruption."

Naturally Biden always spawns parody: 

Hundreds of J6 defendants change their name to Hunter Biden to get in on Joe Biden’s blanket pardon of his son

. . .“ 'We believe that by changing our names to Hunter Biden, we will be able to take advantage of the Biden administration’s generosity and receive a blanket pardon just like his son,” said one J6 defendant. “It’s only fair that we should also be able to avoid accountability for our actions on January 6th.”  . . . 

Andrea Widburg, American Thinker

Harris campaign still asking for donations weeks after massive loss to Trump

 " 'Getting fundraising requests after any candidate has lost, when they admit that they are still millions of dollars in debt, having blown through over a billion dollars… is especially galling," Democratic strategist Jon Reinish told the New York Post." . .  . 

https://www.terrellaftermath.com/

Harris campaign still asking for donations weeks after massive loss to Trump

" 'Vice President Kamala Harris’ campaign still has its hand out for donations, weeks after losing the election to President-elect Trump.

" 'With Trump nominating MAGA loyalists left and right, there is nothing more important than making sure we can fight back and hold him accountable," an email from Kamala HQ sent to the New York Post last week read. "That’s why we need you to step up today. Yes, today."

" 'Our records show that you haven’t pitched in to support our Harris Fight Fund program yet," the email continued, according to the New York Post. "We know the election didn’t turn out as we’d hoped, but we’re not backing down."

"Trump was declared the victor in the presidential election last month, ultimately securing 312 electoral votes to Harris’ 226, and earning the popular vote as well. The election also included the Republican Party reclaiming the Senate and maintaining control of the House. 

. . ."Political candidates ending a campaign with debt is not out of the norm, but some Democrats remarked that repeated emails calling on voters to donate following the election is likely eroding trust. 

"I understand that the Harris campaign is in a very difficult position with the debt that they have, and so sometimes you just have to make practical decisions," Mike Nellis, founder of the Democratic digital firm Authentic, told Politico. "But yeah, I think that stuff like that erodes trust." . . .

HARRIS PAID OPRAH $1 MILLION IN FAILED BID TO HELP CAMPAIGN: REPORT

The Continuing Mystery of the Harris Campaign’s Runaway Spending and Unpaid Debts   . . ."The following day, Axios reported that Democratic National Committee leaders feared getting stuck with the bill, warning, “debt beyond a few million bucks could hamper the Democratic National Committee's efforts to rebuild the party over the next four years.”

"Then on November 18, the Harris campaign’s chief financial officer issued an adamant statement to the New York Times insisting that the campaign did not end with any debt." . . .

We will make you rich and then we will come after you because you are rich. TD

Former House Democrat: ‘We Need A Rebranding … Our Brand Is Toxic’

 . . ."We are going to tax the bad guys who are rich, which we want people to aspire to make money in America,” Ryan mentioned." . . . 

Trump Teases Jan. 6 Rioter Pardons After Biden Pardons His Son—Here’s Who Else Trump Might Pardon

  Here’s Who's On Trump’s Potential Pardon List  "President-elect Donald Trump responded to President Joe Biden’s pardoning of his son Hunter Biden by again raising the possibility he could pardon Jan. 6 rioters—among a string of controversial figures Trump has suggested he could pardon after taking office.

Key Facts

Jan. 6 rioters: Trump asked in a Truth Social post “does the Pardon given by Joe to Hunter include the J-6 Hostages, who have now been imprisoned for years?” after Biden announced Sunday, in a surprise move, that he had pardoned his son Hunter Biden for his felony conviction for lying on a federal gun form and his guilty plea for felony tax violations.

Trump has said repeatedly he would pardon people convicted in connection with the Jan. 6 Capitol riots, though it’s unclear who among the more than 1,500 charged would be subject to pardons; he told reporters in July “if they’re innocent, I would pardon them,” while his campaign spokesperson Karoline Leavitt told the Washington Post in June Trump would decide “on a case-by-case basis” who to pardon.

Ross Ulbricht: Supporters of Ulbricht—sentenced in 2015 to life in prison for creating and operating the dark web marketplace Silk Road—tweeted days after Trump won the election “ROSS IS COMING HOME IN JANUARY,” after Trump pledged while speaking at the Libertarian National Convention in May that “on Day One, I will commute the sentence of Ross Ulbricht” (commutation is different from a pardon as it does not absolve an individual of guilt, but instead reduces their sentence).

Peter Navarro: Trump left open the possibility he would pardon his former trade adviser—who served a four-month prison sentence earlier this year on charges of contempt of Congress for defying a congressional subpoena in connection with the House Jan. 6 Committee probe—telling reporters after voting in Florida on Election Day “he’s a good man, he was treated very unfairly,” calling Navarro a “great patriot” when asked if he would pardon him.

Navarro told the Wall Street Journal in May he would reject any pardon offer from Trump, because he wants to continue appealing his conviction, writing in a letter sent from prison, “I will not give the Supreme Court any excuse to duck what is otherwise a landmark constitutional case.” . . .

. . . Can Trump Pardon Himself?   "The legality of the scenario is unclear as Trump is the first person elected president to have been convicted of a crime, but Trump previously dismissed the idea, telling NBC News last year, prior to his Manhattan hush money conviction, it was “very unlikely” he’d pardon himself, because he “didn’t do anything wrong.” Legal scholars are split on whether the Constitution would permit him to do so. George Washington University law professor Jonathan Turley noted in a 2018 USA Today column that “there is no language” in the Article II, Section 2, of the Constitution, which lays out the terms for presidential pardons, that specifies “who may or may not be the subject of a pardon,” leaving open the possibility the president could pardon himself, though Turley writes that “it would be a disastrous idea.” Others, including . . .   Keep reading...